1 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:09,089 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,710 --> 00:00:25,659 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:32,530 --> 00:00:29,720 episode number 288 for the 27th of april 4 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:32,540 2014 richardsaunders here with you from 5 00:00:36,639 --> 00:00:35,210 Sydney Australia and before we get into 6 00:00:39,250 --> 00:00:36,649 the show yes to all those people who 7 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:39,260 think they saw me or someone who looks 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:41,089 like me on the latest episode of modern 9 00:00:45,369 --> 00:00:42,530 family the one where they're in 10 00:00:47,470 --> 00:00:45,379 Australia yes that was me now to a great 11 00:00:49,899 --> 00:00:47,480 great couple of days working on that 12 00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:49,909 show sort of in the background there but 13 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:51,440 don't worry about modern family what's 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:52,790 happening in the world of modern 15 00:00:57,070 --> 00:00:54,530 scepticism we're going to kick off the 16 00:00:59,140 --> 00:00:57,080 show with a grain of salt from Iran sir 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:00:59,150 give who was lucky enough to be a QED 18 00:01:05,380 --> 00:01:01,570 question explore discover in Manchester 19 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:05,390 Iran this week catches up with a great 20 00:01:09,789 --> 00:01:07,070 magician and a great entertainer I the 21 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:09,799 pleasure of seeing this man perform in 22 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:13,360 Manchester a knockout act Paul's in and 23 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:16,220 magician and skeptic he's going to be 24 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:18,670 chatting about QED of course and 25 00:01:25,210 --> 00:01:22,460 something about the relatively recent 26 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:25,220 story with the the psychic the person 27 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:27,110 who builds herself as a psychic Sally 28 00:01:30,940 --> 00:01:28,970 Morgan that's coming up at the start of 29 00:01:33,430 --> 00:01:30,950 the show following that it's a week in 30 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:33,440 science with Paul Willis from the Royal 31 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:36,110 Institution of Australia and then coming 32 00:01:39,580 --> 00:01:37,729 up later in the show a full interview 33 00:01:40,930 --> 00:01:39,590 with Paul Willis from the Royal 34 00:01:43,660 --> 00:01:40,940 Institution of Australia he's going to 35 00:01:46,690 --> 00:01:43,670 be chatting about his recent trip to the 36 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:46,700 Antarctic ah so jealous would love to go 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:50,270 and also an upcoming tour about the 38 00:01:55,149 --> 00:01:52,850 science of doctor who also coming up on 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:55,159 this week's show it's the return of Joe 40 00:02:00,100 --> 00:01:57,890 alabaster with a new segment evidence 41 00:02:03,039 --> 00:02:00,110 please Joe is going to be reading a 42 00:02:04,690 --> 00:02:03,049 report about the know what's the word we 43 00:02:08,109 --> 00:02:04,700 can look for maybe you could run to your 44 00:02:10,149 --> 00:02:08,119 thesaurus and look up lunatic mmm about 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:10,159 the anti-vaxxers out there in our 46 00:02:15,369 --> 00:02:12,890 society ah what a funny bunch they are 47 00:02:17,259 --> 00:02:15,379 for those people in Sydney don't forget 48 00:02:19,710 --> 00:02:17,269 to come along to Sydney skeptics in the 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:19,720 pub the first thursday of the month and 50 00:02:27,809 --> 00:02:22,370 that means this thursday coming up at 51 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:27,819 the crown hotel in sydney details at ww 52 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:32,510 skeptics com au and for everybody all 53 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:33,670 around the world 54 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:37,360 I sincerely advise you to run without 55 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:39,280 delay do you run on the internet I don't 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:42,340 know surf to the page of the Friends of 57 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:46,450 science medicine ww science in medicine 58 00:02:51,570 --> 00:02:49,870 org a you and subscribe to the 59 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:51,580 newsletter now this is a group of people 60 00:02:54,930 --> 00:02:53,350 we've covered these people before on the 61 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:54,940 skeptic zone we've certainly chatted 62 00:03:00,030 --> 00:02:56,950 about them and interview them friends of 63 00:03:02,850 --> 00:03:00,040 science in medicine promoting and 64 00:03:05,729 --> 00:03:02,860 supporting and defending good science 65 00:03:07,710 --> 00:03:05,739 and good medicine in Australia but now 66 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:07,720 it's time for me to run downstairs and 67 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:12,700 have some Oh satay chicken mmm satay 68 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:15,760 chicken and rice that peanut sauce folks 69 00:03:39,130 --> 00:03:19,870 I tell you wha sat oh yes well I do that 70 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:41,710 little take this with a grain of salt 71 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:50,130 he's around second i have with me here 72 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:52,740 pulls in on a magician and Tanner who 73 00:04:00,920 --> 00:03:56,250 was the MC 4qd hello Paul hello have you 74 00:04:02,980 --> 00:04:00,930 doing very good so let's start by asking 75 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:02,990 about your relationship to skepticism 76 00:04:07,610 --> 00:04:06,150 yeah it kind of came a little bit out of 77 00:04:10,790 --> 00:04:07,620 the blue a couple of years ago when I 78 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:10,800 got asked to go but QED here in 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:14,220 Manchester and I wasn't particularly 80 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:16,170 aware of the whole skepticism movement 81 00:04:20,690 --> 00:04:18,000 but kind of found out that I'd sort of 82 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:20,700 beading often it I hope solo for a while 83 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:24,890 in terms of mainly due to an interest in 84 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:28,110 debunking psychics and mediums and all 85 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:31,050 sorts of paranormal type stuff but also 86 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:33,990 I do a lot of stand-up comedy as well as 87 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:36,720 the magic which is related to expect 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:38,850 ranks and hoaxes and things like that 89 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:41,010 and it's all about kind of trying to get 90 00:04:46,190 --> 00:04:43,530 round the system so it is critical 91 00:04:48,410 --> 00:04:46,200 thinking you know I did a TEDx talk 92 00:04:51,650 --> 00:04:48,420 about airport security for example and 93 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:51,660 it was how to mess about with it just to 94 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:53,960 kind of point out the flaws in their 95 00:04:58,460 --> 00:04:56,910 theater of what we included you did 96 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:58,470 include a section in that talk about how 97 00:05:02,660 --> 00:05:00,900 to do without getting arrested no in 98 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:02,670 groups one of the lines in it was 99 00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:04,590 actually you know it's kind of it's how 100 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:06,360 to dick about with airport security if 101 00:05:11,870 --> 00:05:08,220 you don't mind doing two years inside 102 00:05:14,420 --> 00:05:11,880 for a laugh so I working first 103 00:05:18,290 --> 00:05:14,430 skepticism or the skepticism bit or them 104 00:05:19,910 --> 00:05:18,300 magically I suppose the magic kind of 105 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:19,920 came first because I didn't wasn't aware 106 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:21,780 of the term skepticism until a few years 107 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:24,510 ago really but it's kind of closely 108 00:05:28,340 --> 00:05:25,830 related in the sense that when I was a 109 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:28,350 kid the word trick was always appealing 110 00:05:32,180 --> 00:05:29,730 the trick was a thing that could be 111 00:05:33,830 --> 00:05:32,190 funny like a practical joke or it could 112 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:33,840 be a magic thing or it could be kind of 113 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:35,340 a calm you know that kind of calm man 114 00:05:40,730 --> 00:05:37,080 type thing I was always fascinated with 115 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:40,740 films like the stinging Paper Moon and 116 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:42,500 things which was about 117 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:45,200 nonviolent crime so clever dealer heists 118 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:47,600 and things like that and I think that's 119 00:05:51,910 --> 00:05:48,890 the sort of link with sketchy it's a 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:51,920 it's about using deceit but in a clever 121 00:05:55,210 --> 00:05:53,690 way so it becomes a kind of intellectual 122 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:55,220 challenge you know and so does that 123 00:06:01,780 --> 00:05:57,550 parallel with the critical thinking idea 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:01,790 but yet you just try to work out ways of 125 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:03,770 getting round things you know that it 126 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:06,290 used to be a cartoon strip in a comic 127 00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:07,610 when I was a kid called Roger the Dodger 128 00:06:12,490 --> 00:06:10,400 and it was there was this kid who was 129 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:12,500 trying to get away with things and not 130 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:14,440 yeah you know you do the easiest route 131 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:17,120 but you know it's kind of crime without 132 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:19,640 malice basically you know and so that's 133 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:20,540 that's what I've always been interested 134 00:06:25,570 --> 00:06:23,180 so my I suppose stage persona is a bit 135 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:25,580 of a bit of a condom really and so you 136 00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:29,240 become a kind of expert in DC in general 137 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:31,100 and I think that's why magicians kind of 138 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:33,169 a got a history of debunking things like 139 00:06:36,909 --> 00:06:35,360 mediums and psychics and whatever it's 140 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:36,919 because it takes a thief to catch a 141 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:38,690 thief you know you're telling lies for a 142 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:40,880 living and using this see and so what do 143 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:43,250 you see someone else using it but 144 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:45,440 Betelgeuse is very honest because you 145 00:06:48,370 --> 00:06:46,910 actually telling people the premise of 146 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:48,380 your entertainment is that you're 147 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:50,330 deceiving them yeah and you tell about 148 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:51,410 and so you want to ask you about that 149 00:06:58,330 --> 00:06:54,710 because you're on a panel with mark 150 00:07:00,640 --> 00:06:58,340 edward and and richard wiseman that's 151 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:00,650 right skype messages condition and one 152 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:02,450 of the things that came up there was 153 00:07:08,710 --> 00:07:05,120 about the question about whether it is 154 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:08,720 okay to especially with mentalism to 155 00:07:13,270 --> 00:07:10,880 pretend to be a Mentalist with actually 156 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:13,280 saying to the audience so obviously 157 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:14,510 there are situations where you don't 158 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:16,130 need to actually say anything people buy 159 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:17,630 tickets in the other coming to a show 160 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:18,740 you don't need to edit it is anything 161 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:20,990 it's okay to pretend because like you 162 00:07:24,940 --> 00:07:22,820 know the actual playing Othello doesn't 163 00:07:26,290 --> 00:07:24,950 say I'm not really a fellow they people 164 00:07:27,550 --> 00:07:26,300 know what they're getting yeah but there 165 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:27,560 are situations obviously when that's not 166 00:07:33,940 --> 00:07:31,910 so clear cards and mark edward said that 167 00:07:35,980 --> 00:07:33,950 there are depends what the producer or 168 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:35,990 the weather pays well he was basically 169 00:07:39,190 --> 00:07:37,490 saying if he got paid it off he'd said 170 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:39,200 whatever you know we're just kind of 171 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:41,270 fair enough i I just heard from an 172 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:43,250 ethics point of view I think it's 173 00:07:47,260 --> 00:07:45,440 interesting that you know we have a 174 00:07:48,969 --> 00:07:47,270 performer here in the UK I don't if he's 175 00:07:50,830 --> 00:07:48,979 made many to Australia in terms of TV 176 00:07:53,830 --> 00:07:50,840 stuff called Derren Brown and he 177 00:07:54,909 --> 00:07:53,840 it's psychological you know illusionist 178 00:07:57,460 --> 00:07:54,919 and it's an interesting thing because 179 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:57,470 even though he tells lies about how he 180 00:08:00,159 --> 00:07:58,610 supposedly does things you know I'm 181 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:00,169 reading body language and I know because 182 00:08:04,210 --> 00:08:02,210 your left ear twitch till you move your 183 00:08:05,770 --> 00:08:04,220 right elbow i no you chose the six of 184 00:08:09,610 --> 00:08:05,780 Spades you know and it's kind of it 185 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:09,620 takes a ball argument however it's kind 186 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:11,330 of coming you know it's cutting all that 187 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:13,370 that could be correct because people do 188 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:14,570 read body language is in certain 189 00:08:18,189 --> 00:08:16,370 situations that to me is very different 190 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:18,199 from saying that you're actually psychic 191 00:08:22,180 --> 00:08:20,690 again predict the future or talk to the 192 00:08:23,620 --> 00:08:22,190 dead or whatever because the problem 193 00:08:27,010 --> 00:08:23,630 with that even if you're doing it as a 194 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:27,020 form of entertainment you're propagating 195 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:28,850 the idea that that stuff actually exists 196 00:08:32,529 --> 00:08:30,830 yes you know and that's not healthy in 197 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:32,539 terms of you know evolution apart from 198 00:08:36,909 --> 00:08:34,520 anything else and so you know it might 199 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:36,919 well be that someone sees you on TV and 200 00:08:41,290 --> 00:08:39,169 you go yeah my psychic powers are 201 00:08:42,790 --> 00:08:41,300 telling me that you chose the color red 202 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:42,800 and whatever you go that's no big deal 203 00:08:45,940 --> 00:08:44,420 is it's not doing but then someone 204 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:45,950 watching that goes well these people 205 00:08:50,650 --> 00:08:48,200 exist so maybe when that lump appears in 206 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:50,660 my neck I'll go and see that you know 207 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:52,670 that person who claims to be able to 208 00:08:57,579 --> 00:08:54,770 cure that sort of thing by making me 209 00:09:00,250 --> 00:08:57,589 drink my own urine or whatever it is and 210 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:00,260 that's so it's just propagating false 211 00:09:05,019 --> 00:09:02,480 beliefs in the name of entertainment 212 00:09:06,850 --> 00:09:05,029 quite unforgivable I think but you're 213 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:06,860 not stranger to telling a bit of a lie 214 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:09,260 yourself for example you have pretended 215 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:11,450 to be you have pretended to be a father 216 00:09:17,740 --> 00:09:14,330 her concerned father worried about the 217 00:09:19,690 --> 00:09:17,750 child being eaten by a python this is 218 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:19,700 yeah and that's the end of the podcast 219 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:20,870 they'll just have to wonder what that 220 00:09:26,199 --> 00:09:24,290 was about the yeah basically I've got a 221 00:09:29,170 --> 00:09:26,209 few hopes is it a few prank things and 222 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:29,180 actually partly to point out how 223 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:31,310 gullible the press are in the public in 224 00:09:35,050 --> 00:09:33,950 general and so we should my basic 225 00:09:36,130 --> 00:09:35,060 message through that is just we 226 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:36,140 shouldn't believe everything you read 227 00:09:40,690 --> 00:09:37,760 which most people realize but some 228 00:09:42,070 --> 00:09:40,700 people don't but I yeah we load up you 229 00:09:43,630 --> 00:09:42,080 can read the Daily Mail a lot of people 230 00:09:45,970 --> 00:09:43,640 really Daily Mail I can't say too much 231 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:45,980 about the Daily Mail because of you know 232 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:49,850 I will go to bed but they're here but 233 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:51,410 yeah it's so I've done a few kind of 234 00:09:55,090 --> 00:09:53,690 hoax stories just to see how far we and 235 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:55,100 you just got a schoolboy mischeif 236 00:10:00,370 --> 00:09:58,130 basically you know but that's telling a 237 00:10:01,750 --> 00:10:00,380 lie but it's not actually setting up a 238 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:01,760 belief that's going to harm anyone 239 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:04,010 long-term you know so they might keep 240 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:04,370 their 241 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:06,660 kittens indoors for a couple of days 242 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:07,710 because they think there's an 18 foot 243 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:09,450 Python that large that's not going to 244 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:12,090 harm a visit you know and who knows 245 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:14,160 there might be a you know another wild 246 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:16,890 animal out there for real I'm struggling 247 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:19,530 there yeah but actually you know not 248 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,470 telling them from the Panthers that's a 249 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:24,240 bit of fun and it's just demonstrating 250 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:25,950 the way the media works you know there's 251 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:28,380 a big difference between LA and you know 252 00:10:32,180 --> 00:10:30,720 a certain well-known psychic on TV who 253 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:32,190 said that they're sending healing 254 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:34,700 messages to someone and you know it 255 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:37,260 there's a whole thing about what harm de 256 00:10:41,660 --> 00:10:39,300 mediums do you know an old lady pays a 257 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:41,670 money and goes and sees show and it 258 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:43,260 brings a bit of comfort to us so what 259 00:10:47,330 --> 00:10:45,030 harm does it do and you go well you 260 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:47,340 wouldn't say the same about a cowboy 261 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:49,110 builder you know someone who pretends 262 00:10:53,690 --> 00:10:51,090 that some slates missing of someone old 263 00:10:55,610 --> 00:10:53,700 ladies roof and charges are a few 264 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:55,620 thousand dollars pounds whatever for 265 00:10:59,390 --> 00:10:57,600 fixing that you know it's a fake thing 266 00:11:00,680 --> 00:10:59,400 and you know what harm does it do if 267 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:00,690 she's got the money and it brings are a 268 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:02,490 bit of comfort but everybody's dead set 269 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:03,810 against that and there are laws about 270 00:11:07,940 --> 00:11:06,030 that unfortunately the same thing with 271 00:11:09,740 --> 00:11:07,950 psychics and mediums who will take money 272 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:09,750 off people when they're grieving and 273 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:12,420 vulnerable that there aren't really any 274 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:14,220 laws about it in laws changed here in 275 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:16,050 the UK a few years ago about it now it's 276 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:18,270 two Trading Standards thing but it's not 277 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:22,290 actual law and speaking of psychics 278 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:24,660 think of psyche is you have an 279 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:27,270 interesting relationship with sally 280 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:29,310 morgan are you i don't know i don't know 281 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:30,870 what you're allowed to say well this is 282 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:32,580 the problem you know the difference 283 00:11:36,350 --> 00:11:34,770 between i'm not sure the libel laws in 284 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:36,360 australia but we have very antiquated 285 00:11:40,970 --> 00:11:38,850 laws here in the UK and the problem is 286 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:40,980 that if you suggest something negative 287 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:44,700 about someone they can sue you now when 288 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:46,770 basically the story is that sally morgan 289 00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:48,450 famous psychic here who's now touring 290 00:11:53,750 --> 00:11:50,700 australia i think she should like you 291 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:53,760 and the problem is i wrote an article 292 00:11:58,820 --> 00:11:57,090 for The Daily Mail which was she there's 293 00:12:01,790 --> 00:11:58,830 a suggestion that she may have been 294 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:01,800 using an earpiece on stage and and I 295 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:03,990 wrote an article about that and how some 296 00:12:08,570 --> 00:12:05,880 psychics cheats and all the rest of it 297 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:08,580 and then and then I discovered some 298 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:10,110 evidence that she does actually wear an 299 00:12:14,450 --> 00:12:12,240 earpiece on stage the problem was with 300 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:14,460 the whole libel case is that it's 301 00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:16,650 actually about when what that earpiece 302 00:12:20,060 --> 00:12:17,670 was used for 303 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:20,070 or but the suggestion from a newspaper 304 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:22,650 not for myself I hasten to add was that 305 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:24,210 she may have been using it for cheating 306 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:26,310 and so she sued the newspaper and 307 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:28,770 technically she was because there was an 308 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:29,970 out-of-court settlement which is a 309 00:12:33,980 --> 00:12:32,070 ridiculous situation because the 310 00:12:35,180 --> 00:12:33,990 original article i saw that i'm aware 311 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,190 didn't actually accuse her of cheating 312 00:12:39,230 --> 00:12:37,440 it was just pointing out that she may 313 00:12:41,270 --> 00:12:39,240 have used an earpiece I'm funny enough 314 00:12:43,970 --> 00:12:41,280 she did but it was apparently for stage 315 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:43,980 directions not sure what no stage dollar 316 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:45,330 given because it's around the same time 317 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:47,250 that he came of these two Irish girls if 318 00:12:51,830 --> 00:12:48,930 I'm Emma correctly that's what it was 319 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:51,840 about it was basically these couple of 320 00:12:55,460 --> 00:12:53,490 Irish women had phoned a radio station 321 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:55,470 in Dublin and said that they'd heard 322 00:12:59,630 --> 00:12:57,000 voices from the back of the theatre from 323 00:13:02,360 --> 00:12:59,640 the projectional lighting box and that 324 00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,370 the medium on stage was saying the same 325 00:13:07,850 --> 00:13:04,320 things a short while later so the 326 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:07,860 assumption of the radio presenter and of 327 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:10,710 the women in retrospect was that she may 328 00:13:14,630 --> 00:13:12,930 have been fed information so it's a 329 00:13:17,180 --> 00:13:14,640 discussion about that in the article but 330 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:17,190 no outright accusation from me however 331 00:13:20,510 --> 00:13:19,500 because the libel laws you know people 332 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:20,520 are saying well it's great because 333 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:21,840 she'll have to prove that she is 334 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:24,000 actually psychic doesn't work that way 335 00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:26,310 the way the libel law works is that the 336 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:28,800 person who is sued has to prove 337 00:13:32,780 --> 00:13:30,690 everything there's no onus on the person 338 00:13:35,390 --> 00:13:32,790 you know so I said to the male lawyer 339 00:13:38,510 --> 00:13:35,400 initially I said well how about if I say 340 00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:38,520 in court that the reason you know this 341 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:40,140 happened is because I heard it from my 342 00:13:44,660 --> 00:13:42,990 spirit guide Geronimo and that's what 343 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,670 what the situation is he said well I 344 00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:46,320 think they'd think you were taking the 345 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:47,880 piss to be honest and the wall she 346 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:51,000 started it it's the same argument isn't 347 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:53,490 it you know is you know you are actually 348 00:13:59,570 --> 00:13:56,280 talking to dead people ok well how is 349 00:14:02,060 --> 00:13:59,580 that any less ridiculous ok you could 350 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:02,070 bring your fake Python 2 to a course to 351 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:05,070 support you but it's care of ya ya know 352 00:14:09,830 --> 00:14:08,070 Jesus told me it's it's got to be the 353 00:14:11,270 --> 00:14:09,840 truth so yeah so you have to be very 354 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:11,280 careful it's a ridiculous situation 355 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:14,010 because and that this is why you know 356 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:15,990 newspapers don't generally report 357 00:14:21,050 --> 00:14:19,170 psychics being caught out or you know 358 00:14:23,420 --> 00:14:21,060 they're happy to run stories about 359 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:23,430 ghosts and or rest of it because it's 360 00:14:26,570 --> 00:14:25,080 cheap and it's easy and people are 361 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:26,580 interested in that kind of thing and 362 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:28,920 they don't actually take any risk with 363 00:14:32,190 --> 00:14:30,250 the positive stuff 364 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:32,200 rich with a negative by saying oh is 365 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:34,300 this person gene or whatever they're 366 00:14:37,970 --> 00:14:35,560 putting themselves on the law them you 367 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:37,980 know so it's just easier for them not to 368 00:14:43,530 --> 00:14:41,350 so when you're not doing skeptical 369 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:43,540 conferences what do you do or water I've 370 00:14:48,060 --> 00:14:45,370 been kind of jobbing performer really I 371 00:14:49,770 --> 00:14:48,070 kind of perform it mainly kind of doing 372 00:14:51,540 --> 00:14:49,780 corporate work business conferences you 373 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:51,550 know kind of host awards ceremonies and 374 00:14:57,630 --> 00:14:53,770 do after dinner cabaret stuff kind of 375 00:15:00,120 --> 00:14:57,640 stand up and tricks of things yeah a few 376 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:00,130 cruise ships just you know that kind of 377 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:02,110 thing but doing a little bit of acting 378 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:03,730 these days so the cruise ship is 379 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:05,860 probably a presumably to to lower the 380 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:08,950 average age I'm thinking the cruise the 381 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:10,660 cruiser me the creeps audience have got 382 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:12,630 a bit younger now you know the kind of 383 00:15:17,940 --> 00:15:15,580 really certain cruise lines who shall 384 00:15:19,950 --> 00:15:17,950 remain nameless also because of libel 385 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:19,960 laws and you know we used to call it 386 00:15:24,810 --> 00:15:23,650 club 82 dead you know but but there you 387 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:24,820 know you get to go some quite 388 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:26,260 interesting places these days you've got 389 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:29,050 some quite exotic routes around and it's 390 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:31,870 pretty well paid and it's nice food you 391 00:15:35,579 --> 00:15:33,910 know if you spend anything so it's got a 392 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:35,589 nice easy one but the audiences are a 393 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,660 bit tend to be a little bit low energy 394 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:39,600 because they're on holiday and you know 395 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:42,430 but yeah that's that's kind of a nice 396 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:44,530 nice thing to do three or four times of 397 00:15:48,510 --> 00:15:46,270 year you know and is there any chance 398 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:48,520 that the most of the or at least a 399 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:49,720 significant proportion of the listeners 400 00:15:53,310 --> 00:15:51,700 to this podcast will be Australian any 401 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:53,320 chance they would see an Israeli anytime 402 00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:56,050 soon hopefully there's no major plans at 403 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:57,760 the moment but I used to go to Australia 404 00:16:01,170 --> 00:15:58,930 reasonably regular and I play the 405 00:16:05,329 --> 00:16:01,180 adelaide fringe festival and melbourne 406 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:05,339 comedy festival brisbane and sydney 407 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:08,230 comedy festival is next week so you yeah 408 00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:10,230 bit my little bit about yeah exactly 409 00:16:13,980 --> 00:16:12,280 there's a show over there call the 410 00:16:15,540 --> 00:16:13,990 soiree that have worked with a few times 411 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:15,550 which is kind of like an adult circus 412 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:17,290 thing which I think was in Sydney 413 00:16:22,950 --> 00:16:21,310 recently actually and melbourne and 414 00:16:24,990 --> 00:16:22,960 adelaide and played in New Zealand as 415 00:16:25,740 --> 00:16:25,000 well and that's an interesting thing 416 00:16:28,290 --> 00:16:25,750 that there's a whole kind of 417 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:28,300 resurrection of variety these days so 418 00:16:31,770 --> 00:16:30,250 it's not that kind enough cheesy old 419 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:31,780 school thing it's actually sort of now 420 00:16:35,790 --> 00:16:33,820 quite cool thing again so for like a 421 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:35,800 magician you know people stole finger 422 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:37,570 magicians is wearing bow ties and a top 423 00:16:40,890 --> 00:16:38,560 hat another 424 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:40,900 the system in a sparkly costume but with 425 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:42,550 a hoe Street magic figure out of course 426 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:45,910 a rabbit I had you know that the with 427 00:16:48,420 --> 00:16:47,080 the whole kind of street magic for you 428 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:48,430 on TV that we kind of kicked off 429 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:50,470 whenever it was supposed about 15 years 430 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:53,529 ago now it's all the somebody's a little 431 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:55,720 bit cool again you know so but yeah I'd 432 00:16:58,829 --> 00:16:57,160 like to get back to Australia but I'm 433 00:17:00,690 --> 00:16:58,839 trying to do a bit more acting now and 434 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:00,700 I'd like to come back and do probably 435 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:04,120 Adelaide's maybe maybe next year or if 436 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:05,980 not a year after you know it's probably 437 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:07,870 everything's booked so far ahead because 438 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:10,810 of the the program and getting stuff 439 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:13,030 printed and whatever so that even now 440 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:15,730 for a delay next febuary it's kind of 441 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:18,699 get in a bit late you know yeah but but 442 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:20,110 yeah hopefully get back there before too 443 00:17:23,850 --> 00:17:22,089 long yeah yeah speaking of acting I just 444 00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:23,860 want to mention that you you were the 445 00:17:29,010 --> 00:17:26,500 lead actor in a short video but two 446 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:29,020 minutes long i think that opened open 447 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:30,760 proceedings yeah we just think we'll be 448 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:33,010 on why but it's going to go up I figured 449 00:17:36,570 --> 00:17:34,480 a few days time so you could problems 450 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:36,580 like by the time this goes goes up 451 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:38,200 normally will be able to provide a link 452 00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:40,570 it was it was fantastic it was really 453 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:42,220 really it's very kind of a sort of 454 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:43,810 skeptical base and I'm not sure anybody 455 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:45,310 who wasn't a skeptic will get many of 456 00:17:48,750 --> 00:17:46,870 the gags in it but yeah the basic 457 00:17:50,790 --> 00:17:48,760 premise is it's me in the hotel where we 458 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:50,800 are now waking up and getting up and get 459 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:52,600 ready for the conference you know but 460 00:17:57,090 --> 00:17:55,240 lots of sort of in gags and was quite 461 00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:57,100 funny we actually confession now we 462 00:18:00,090 --> 00:17:58,720 actually shot welcome to my world of 463 00:18:02,130 --> 00:18:00,100 deceit but we actually shot the video in 464 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:02,140 London yeah it wasn't this hotel and 465 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:03,880 it's quite funny because we had a small 466 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:06,220 crew there and the hotel said you know 467 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:08,650 probably better that you don't filming 468 00:18:11,070 --> 00:18:09,730 the coroner's because they're just the 469 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:11,080 guests will wonder what's going I'm sure 470 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:12,400 enough we've filmed a bit in the coroner 471 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:14,020 and I think everyone thought it was a 472 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:17,170 gay porn shoot I'm wearing I worry my 473 00:18:20,669 --> 00:18:19,060 bedroom gear and there's four guys at a 474 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:20,679 camera in the bedroom you know what 475 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:24,220 could be going on here okay funny enough 476 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:28,570 the main one afterwards well thank you 477 00:18:31,869 --> 00:18:29,860 very much for being on the skipped exam 478 00:18:39,189 --> 00:18:31,879 absolute pleasure thank you 479 00:18:41,499 --> 00:18:39,199 so sorry can we go now on Belfast FM we 480 00:18:43,659 --> 00:18:41,509 turn to the person lads easygoing and 481 00:18:45,879 --> 00:18:43,669 confident skeptic seeks other critical 482 00:18:48,249 --> 00:18:45,889 thinkers for fun laughter and good times 483 00:18:50,649 --> 00:18:48,259 must be willing to apply logic liberally 484 00:18:52,779 --> 00:18:50,659 and a good listener expect something new 485 00:18:54,459 --> 00:18:52,789 and interesting every month come on meet 486 00:18:56,169 --> 00:18:54,469 me in Belfast in Northern Ireland if 487 00:18:59,589 --> 00:18:56,179 this sounds like you check out my 488 00:19:08,919 --> 00:18:59,599 profile on Belfast skeptics calm music 489 00:19:10,869 --> 00:19:08,929 by Kevin MacLeod welcome to awaken 490 00:19:13,689 --> 00:19:10,879 science from arias bringing you the 491 00:19:16,479 --> 00:19:13,699 science news you need to know ken 492 00:19:18,939 --> 00:19:16,489 misinformation kill when it comes to 493 00:19:20,019 --> 00:19:18,949 vaccinations most definitely it's time 494 00:19:25,779 --> 00:19:20,029 to take a look at some of those 495 00:19:28,569 --> 00:19:25,789 anti-vaccination myths perhaps the most 496 00:19:31,479 --> 00:19:28,579 enduring myth about vaccinations is a 497 00:19:34,779 --> 00:19:31,489 link between the MMR vaccine and autism 498 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:34,789 it all originated from a 1998 paper 499 00:19:38,889 --> 00:19:36,529 published in the British Medical Journal 500 00:19:41,949 --> 00:19:38,899 The Lancet by surgeon and medical 501 00:19:43,899 --> 00:19:41,959 researcher Andrew Wakefield Wakefield 502 00:19:45,969 --> 00:19:43,909 claimed a link between the vaccine that 503 00:19:48,969 --> 00:19:45,979 protects against measles mumps and 504 00:19:51,249 --> 00:19:48,979 rubella or MMR and the incidence of 505 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:51,259 autism the paper has since been 506 00:19:56,139 --> 00:19:53,869 discredited retracted and described as 507 00:19:58,509 --> 00:19:56,149 fraudulent we now know that Wakefield 508 00:20:00,930 --> 00:19:58,519 had several undeclared conflicts of 509 00:20:03,789 --> 00:20:00,940 interest and he manipulated the data 510 00:20:06,129 --> 00:20:03,799 extensive independent tests have failed 511 00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:06,139 to replicate the results or show any 512 00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:10,000 links between the vaccine and autism 513 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:12,980 it's also been claimed that vaccines 514 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:15,170 contain all kinds of toxins including 515 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:18,260 mercury the mercury myth stems from the 516 00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:20,690 use of the preservative thiomersal in 517 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:24,080 some vaccines thiomersal does contain 518 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:26,810 mercury but the dose in a vaccine is so 519 00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:28,970 low that extensive testing has shown 520 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:31,580 that it's not considered harmful but 521 00:20:36,010 --> 00:20:34,010 just to be sure it was removed from the 522 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:36,020 production of all childhood vaccines in 523 00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:39,050 Australia in two thousand so there is no 524 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:41,990 mercury in any modern vaccines given to 525 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:43,910 children the National Center for 526 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:45,770 immunization research and surveillance 527 00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:48,050 list 16 diseases that a vaccine 528 00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:50,120 preventable and notes that in recent 529 00:20:54,490 --> 00:20:51,980 years they have been increasing in 530 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:54,500 Australia as more people choose not to 531 00:21:00,130 --> 00:20:56,930 have their children immunized this has 532 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:00,140 led to several deaths and now for fast 533 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:02,090 facts that counter anti-vaccination 534 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,890 myths the eradication of smallpox and 535 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:09,440 polio does not mean that we can stop 536 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:11,990 vaccinating for them no vaccination is 537 00:21:16,330 --> 00:21:13,630 one hundred percent effective a 538 00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:16,340 vaccinated person is actually more 539 00:21:21,490 --> 00:21:18,590 likely to catch the disease but the 540 00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:21,500 effects will be much less vaccines do 541 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:23,900 not weaken or overwhelm the immune 542 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:26,290 system they actually strengthen it and 543 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:29,750 vaccines are not unnatural they work by 544 00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:31,300 stimulating the body's immune system 545 00:21:38,290 --> 00:21:36,350 using naturally-occurring agents that's 546 00:21:40,420 --> 00:21:38,300 it for this week in science for more 547 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:40,430 information on vaccination myths go to 548 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:44,050 the our oils website riaa us or go you 549 00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:47,690 follow us on twitter at our iOS and like 550 00:22:00,190 --> 00:21:50,390 us on facebook i'm paul willis and we'll 551 00:22:07,870 --> 00:22:04,159 hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this park 552 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,880 yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn 553 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:10,320 unicorn there are no such things as 554 00:22:15,650 --> 00:22:13,500 unicorns silly yes there is no there 555 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:15,660 isn't hey guys what are you arguing 556 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:17,929 about tom thinks unicorns are real 557 00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:20,940 thanks so are let's look us up in the 558 00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:24,059 skeptics dictionary now what how can we 559 00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:25,799 do this in this park there is the 560 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,480 computer here you guys probably don't 561 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,220 know about the skeptics dictionary app 562 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:32,280 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 563 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:36,210 touch in the App Store Wow cool the app 564 00:22:39,950 --> 00:22:37,770 lets you access all of the great 565 00:22:42,530 --> 00:22:39,960 skeptics dictionary articles when you're 566 00:22:45,260 --> 00:22:42,540 on the go here let me look up unicorns 567 00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:45,270 found cool Kenny prepare to be proven 568 00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:47,790 wrong it says here the Unicorn is a 569 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:51,929 creature from fables aha actually I see 570 00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:53,190 now that someone just dumped their ice 571 00:23:06,710 --> 00:22:55,799 cream cone on that horse's head thanks 572 00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:10,630 what we want some more evidence please 573 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:21,600 hello this is Joe alabaster from the 574 00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:25,270 courier-mail April 22nd 2014 by Paul 575 00:23:32,130 --> 00:23:29,920 svet I learned a lot this past week for 576 00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:32,140 starters and I suspect many readers will 577 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:33,900 be delighted to be apprised of this 578 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:36,310 apparently I am henceforth to be known 579 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:39,580 as Paul quote smegma head end quote 580 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:42,730 separate and queensland's chief medical 581 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:45,850 officer dr. Jeanette young is quote dr. 582 00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:48,540 death the super quack end quote 583 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:50,980 according to read a terry of Caboolture 584 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:53,920 quote flawed genetic input from every 585 00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:55,960 mating on all familial lines from the 586 00:24:00,300 --> 00:23:58,360 original primordial ooze up to the 587 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:00,310 unwanted scourge arrival of this power 588 00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,170 would be required to produce these to 589 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:04,480 consummate duds is this the only 590 00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:06,670 explanation for their overt display of 591 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,440 psychopathic excesses end quote wow 592 00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:12,880 there's a good B movie script lurking in 593 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:15,430 there somewhere at least unlike a lot of 594 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:17,320 correspondence in recent days from 595 00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:19,870 various anti-vaccination cranks the 596 00:24:23,610 --> 00:24:21,550 missive was not written in very sassy 597 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:23,620 block capitals with the tendon 598 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:27,430 highlighting my crime was to write in 599 00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:28,690 support of the science that 600 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:30,760 unequivocally demonstrates the benefits 601 00:24:34,830 --> 00:24:32,890 of vaccination against preventable and 602 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:34,840 sometimes deadly diseases such as 603 00:24:38,490 --> 00:24:36,790 whooping cough and measles and to 604 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,500 question the misleading and sometimes 605 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:40,480 fanciful adjure Pro disseminated by the 606 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:42,820 anti facts of Angeles thankfully have 607 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:44,470 since been bombarded with a wealth of 608 00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:46,750 eclectic literature much of it helpfully 609 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:49,390 underlined or marked in bold seeking to 610 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:51,490 correct my clearly errant acceptance of 611 00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:54,790 modern medicine did you know for example 612 00:25:01,100 --> 00:24:57,280 the vaccines are responsible for their 613 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:01,110 quote peanut allergy epidemic end quote 614 00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,010 which is a product of a quote 615 00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:07,360 pharmaceutical medical media and 616 00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:10,900 government cover-up end quote true fact 617 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:14,830 or did you realize that the science 618 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:16,870 behind herd immunity where group 619 00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:19,000 immunity reaches a level usually above 620 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:20,980 ninety percent that makes wide scale 621 00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:22,630 transmission of a particular disease 622 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,740 very difficult is absolute bunk I also 623 00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:28,480 learnt vaccinations actually make 624 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:29,340 children much 625 00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:31,710 I'm prone to various illnesses than 626 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,560 those kids who haven't had a job I 627 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:36,480 learned this in an email that referred 628 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:39,900 me to a quote study end quote done by a 629 00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:43,070 German homeopathic practitioner who 630 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:45,680 conducted an Internet questionnaire 631 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:50,760 proof worse there are apparently more 632 00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:52,650 sinister forces at work and drug 633 00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:54,870 companies designed vaccines to fail and 634 00:26:01,760 --> 00:25:57,510 actively create pandemics to boost their 635 00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:01,770 vaccine sales quote epidemics are a 636 00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,870 marketing tool to create demand for a 637 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,880 profitable product that people can be 638 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:07,500 convinced to purchase over and over 639 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:09,750 again year after year whether it works 640 00:26:15,050 --> 00:26:12,450 or not and how do you create that demand 641 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:15,060 you engineer an epidemic by making sure 642 00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:17,090 your own vaccine products don't work 643 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:19,710 fear drives people to get vaccinated so 644 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:22,050 fear is used as the primary marketing 645 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:26,610 tool end quote this can all be found on 646 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:29,970 one quote news and quote website to 647 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:31,650 which several anti-vaxxers helpfully 648 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:33,750 directed me we can also find information 649 00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:37,050 such as quote scientists warn the rise 650 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:39,420 of aluminium will lead to extinction of 651 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:43,320 humankind end quote and quote Malaysia 652 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:46,050 Airlines flight 370 now clearly a 653 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:50,160 government cover-up end quote it is I'm 654 00:26:56,150 --> 00:26:52,440 afraid to concede halt a conspiracy and 655 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:56,160 as one reader wrote quote the wh 0 in 656 00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,010 CDC are all part of it to stirring up a 657 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:00,960 rational fear and panic like they did 658 00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:04,770 with the h5n1 virus a few years ago it 659 00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:07,590 turns out that wh 0 panel members 660 00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:09,270 received kickbacks from drug companies 661 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:11,820 to engineer these anti science scare 662 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:16,530 stories and quote learnt we shouldn't be 663 00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:19,050 too hard on conspiracy theorists for as 664 00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:21,180 ready Jake who took issue with my use of 665 00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:24,120 the term wing nuts once there are very 666 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:26,070 valid questions to be asked about the 667 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,990 push for the one world government the 668 00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:30,240 origins of fluoridation of water in Nazi 669 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:32,190 concentration camps and the real 670 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:34,590 circumstances of the 911 terror attacks 671 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:38,400 the truth as they say is out there but 672 00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:39,960 you certainly won't find it talking to 673 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:41,280 the religious cult that is the 674 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:51,820 you 675 00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:59,930 in a world where the truth is a matter 676 00:28:07,869 --> 00:28:03,289 your messages are a scene for beyond the 677 00:28:07,879 --> 00:28:13,919 and reason is sidelined for magical sync 678 00:28:13,929 --> 00:28:19,549 only three men stand between the truth 679 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:23,310 what date is it 78 several thing this is 680 00:28:26,369 --> 00:28:24,730 impressive it's beating our system 681 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,379 present they're not their photographs of 682 00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:29,200 Chinese anthem it's not we are not well 683 00:28:32,999 --> 00:28:31,240 received is a good guard we're fully 684 00:28:34,769 --> 00:28:33,009 don't discuss cryptozoology on the show 685 00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:34,779 very often because we don't know 686 00:28:38,609 --> 00:28:36,820 anything about how the truth the price 687 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:38,619 gets lower and lower and lower and then 688 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:40,450 he hits the ceiling it's a ceiling for 689 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:44,769 the room below skeptic to the cave for 690 00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:46,600 the Merseyside skeptics society find us 691 00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:01,080 joining me now all the way from 692 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:03,220 beautiful Adelaide in South Australia 693 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:06,370 the voice you know so well it's dr. Paul 694 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,490 Willis from our IRS hello Paul hey 695 00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,440 Richard you're looking younger and 696 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:13,840 younger every time I see you on skype oh 697 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:16,300 how embarrassing I wasn't quite ready to 698 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:21,670 be viewed the day you got and your look 699 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:23,500 you you're looking just the same I don't 700 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:26,290 know if that's a compliment or what yeah 701 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:30,160 what do believe that one right there now 702 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:32,290 what an exciting time you've had lately 703 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:33,370 we're going to be talking about all 704 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:34,510 sorts of interesting things what's 705 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:37,510 happening at our IRS Doctor Who your 706 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,730 this which is very exciting and what big 707 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:41,440 doctor who fan but you've only 708 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:43,330 relatively recently come back from 709 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:45,310 somewhere that I've always wanted to go 710 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:48,190 the Antarctic what were you doing there 711 00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:51,280 and what did you find this this is one 712 00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:54,100 of my semi regular Julius down to 713 00:30:02,730 --> 00:29:56,230 Antarctica it was my eighth time down 714 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:02,740 there I go along with a sewer company as 715 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:06,520 their expert guide to show tourists the 716 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:08,530 fossils that are found on the Antarctic 717 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:11,590 Peninsula but this time was a bit 718 00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:13,390 different from the previous trips in a 719 00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:18,280 number of ways firstly the areas that we 720 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:20,680 wanted to get into where the fossils are 721 00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:22,450 we couldn't get anywhere near because 722 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:27,070 the ice was so bad secondly this trip 723 00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:30,910 was actually more focused on going in 724 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:33,430 the footsteps of ernest shackleton so we 725 00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:35,410 went from the Antarctic Peninsula across 726 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:37,390 the South Georgia as my first time there 727 00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:40,810 and then back through the Falklands to 728 00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:44,680 South America so there was that was all 729 00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:47,020 new to me and another thing that was 730 00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:48,700 different this time around was I got to 731 00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:52,240 take my eight-year-old son Chester trip 732 00:30:59,340 --> 00:30:55,180 of a lifetime and I still don't think 733 00:31:00,780 --> 00:30:59,350 the Penguins know what what a thrill for 734 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:00,790 an eight-year-old what a thrill for any 735 00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,840 age I would think we see stories and on 736 00:31:09,090 --> 00:31:07,120 TV even see documentaries and reports 737 00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:09,100 people sailing down to the Antarctic and 738 00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:13,549 they're just gobsmacked by the icebergs 739 00:31:18,249 --> 00:31:15,080 the first encounter the icebergs do you 740 00:31:20,590 --> 00:31:18,259 still get that oh yeah but Antarctica 741 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:20,600 steals a part of your heart never gives 742 00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:22,220 it back every time you go down there 743 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:26,840 it's gobsmacking you beautiful but this 744 00:31:30,879 --> 00:31:28,940 time round getting to see South Georgia 745 00:31:35,019 --> 00:31:30,889 for the first time that is also a 746 00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,029 gorgeous place very hard but i nicknamed 747 00:31:41,289 --> 00:31:37,279 it switzerland on sea because you know 748 00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:41,299 you've got 3,000 meter peaks thrusting 749 00:31:47,499 --> 00:31:44,200 straight out of the Southern Ocean and 750 00:31:49,899 --> 00:31:47,509 crested fringed with hundreds of 751 00:31:52,779 --> 00:31:49,909 thousands of king penguins and baby fur 752 00:31:56,409 --> 00:31:52,789 seals it just absolutely an amazing 753 00:31:59,440 --> 00:31:56,419 place wow you're making me jealous 754 00:32:01,210 --> 00:31:59,450 absolutely but I find this whole idea of 755 00:32:03,789 --> 00:32:01,220 a continent full of fossils so 756 00:32:06,009 --> 00:32:03,799 interesting and you tell the story at 757 00:32:07,479 --> 00:32:06,019 once of course that you want them down 758 00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:07,489 there one of your many adventures and 759 00:32:16,029 --> 00:32:12,100 found a plesiosaur yeah it's not as if 760 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:16,039 Antarctica is carpeted with fossils but 761 00:32:20,919 --> 00:32:18,710 there are some very special islands on 762 00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:20,929 the eastern side of the Antarctic 763 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:23,840 Peninsula where there are a number of 764 00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:25,820 different types of fossils from a number 765 00:32:30,609 --> 00:32:28,070 of different ages but the ones that I'm 766 00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:30,619 particularly interested in from the 767 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:32,629 latest Cretaceous period so really at 768 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:35,350 the end of the age of the dinosaurs and 769 00:32:41,379 --> 00:32:37,970 you know you can literally be walking 770 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:41,389 across an ancient seabed which is 771 00:32:47,889 --> 00:32:44,840 carpeted in fossils of various types of 772 00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:47,899 shells of marine snails and plans and 773 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:51,350 then suddenly they stopped and that line 774 00:32:56,259 --> 00:32:54,049 in the dirt where they stopped that's 775 00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:56,269 when the meteorite here that's when the 776 00:33:02,499 --> 00:32:59,090 dinosaurs were wiped out and survey able 777 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:02,509 to actually see firsthand an event that 778 00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,210 happened 65 million years ago yeah the 779 00:33:11,489 --> 00:33:07,279 best says they've chill down my spine 780 00:33:13,779 --> 00:33:11,499 every time I can't help that wonder what 781 00:33:17,289 --> 00:33:13,789 amazing things are yet to be discovered 782 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:17,299 in the Antarctic I mean new animals 783 00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:19,340 unknown to science it's this just 784 00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:21,309 boggles the mind 785 00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:24,700 yeah and you know as they're exploring 786 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:26,470 around there particularly underwater 787 00:33:30,779 --> 00:33:27,850 they're finding all kinds of interesting 788 00:33:33,330 --> 00:33:30,789 things it was only a few years back 789 00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,340 about five years ago that they found 790 00:33:37,529 --> 00:33:35,919 something that they think they're still 791 00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:37,539 not quite sure but that I think is 792 00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:42,340 actually a related to grata lights now 793 00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:45,340 grab delights of fossils that were 794 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:47,649 particularly under in the Ordovician 795 00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:53,950 period so you know that 482 510 million 796 00:34:01,710 --> 00:33:56,769 years ago a really old top period they 797 00:34:04,379 --> 00:34:01,720 were so abundant in that period that you 798 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:04,389 can actually date the the the various 799 00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:06,429 layers of that period by the different 800 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:08,500 types of data life that a famine it and 801 00:34:13,889 --> 00:34:11,710 then they just disappear so you don't 802 00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:13,899 fund them in the fossil record at all 803 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:18,040 after that very early period and then a 804 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:20,260 couple of years back they found what 805 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:23,530 they think is a living one of under the 806 00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:27,940 ocean of Antarctica so you know yes 807 00:34:32,339 --> 00:34:30,550 you're dead right there's still lots and 808 00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:32,349 lots of stuff to be discovered down 809 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:34,869 there both as fossils and as living 810 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:38,020 creatures and carnival and of course 811 00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:40,450 when you go down as during the summer 812 00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,190 period in the southern hemisphere you 813 00:34:47,309 --> 00:34:43,599 can't really go down there in the winter 814 00:34:50,609 --> 00:34:47,319 time is it bloody freezing cold down 815 00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:50,619 there even in the summertime I know this 816 00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:54,040 sounds incredibly stupid of me Richard 817 00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:57,400 but something I'd forgotten that i was 818 00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:00,310 reminded forcefully this tree was how 819 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:03,849 cold antar degrees its body cold and 820 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:07,450 it's the kind of penetrating coal I mean 821 00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:11,530 I say is bloody cold but you know I 822 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:14,020 don't think we got down below minus 10 823 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:16,420 at any part of this trip not with 824 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:18,490 windchill that connect me awfully cold 825 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,970 and it's that kind of cold that cuts 826 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:24,160 through to the bone you know it's not 827 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:26,950 just a cold environment it's a cold 828 00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:31,150 internal a horrible thing yeah but you 829 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:33,110 know you don't 830 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:35,420 can go down there prepared you rubbed up 831 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:38,390 you have the the gear to withstand there 832 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:40,760 and even that it's worse you know you're 833 00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:43,250 only exposed to it for now or so and 834 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:44,750 then you're back on board a nice warm 835 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:47,690 boat I don't know gmt watch any icebergs 836 00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:50,690 float past so it really is the the 837 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:53,420 gentle way of a senior well the people 838 00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:55,400 who are lucky enough to be your friends 839 00:35:59,170 --> 00:35:56,780 on Facebook would have seen various 840 00:36:00,910 --> 00:35:59,180 photographs come back from that part of 841 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:00,920 the world which is fascinating and I 842 00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:03,410 noticed you took down your your hat with 843 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:05,720 the moose ears on it again yeah yeah 844 00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:08,810 that's my dragon hat I found that in New 845 00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:12,230 Zealand many years ago well I mean what 846 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:14,360 people ask me why do I wear the dragon 847 00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:18,560 hat it keeps my head warm but also you 848 00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,470 know there are there is a another 849 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:24,320 practical reason for wearing that and 850 00:36:29,710 --> 00:36:26,410 that is that when we're out actually 851 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:29,720 crossing various islands looking for 852 00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:33,200 fossils and you know we'll have 50 or 853 00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,630 people spread out over quite an area and 854 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:38,000 I'm the only player and soldier salon 855 00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:39,710 and they're finding things and they want 856 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:42,590 to find me in a hurry to be able to to 857 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:45,310 identify what it is that they found and 858 00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,290 what I've got that hat on everybody 859 00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:51,680 knows where to help I am well there you 860 00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:54,830 are and has a very practical point to it 861 00:36:59,260 --> 00:36:56,780 you were wearing that had a couple of 862 00:37:01,540 --> 00:36:59,270 years ago when you made a video to help 863 00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:01,550 the 10 23 campaign the anti homeopathy 864 00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:03,800 campaign and you're the person who has 865 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:07,340 overdosed on homeopathy in further south 866 00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:10,370 than anybody else I think yes that was 867 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:13,640 that was quite a coup that with that 868 00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:17,570 there was that international event yeah 869 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:19,820 if people trying to overdose on 870 00:37:27,550 --> 00:37:24,430 homeopathic remedies and someone said 871 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:27,560 we've got every continent covered except 872 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:31,430 Antarctica I said I'm going to 873 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:34,030 Antarctica probably there on the on the 874 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:37,610 challenge today so yeah we actually had 875 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:39,410 a lot of fun with that I think the bit 876 00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:41,330 that the best part was the ship's doctor 877 00:37:46,350 --> 00:37:43,780 got involved 878 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:46,360 to be involved and he was standing by 879 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:49,390 with the defibrillator something went 880 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:51,250 wrong but in the best spirit of 881 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:53,530 homeopathy we didn't plug the 882 00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:56,350 defibrillator in expecting it to work on 883 00:38:02,040 --> 00:37:58,510 the memory of electrons having passed 884 00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:02,050 through its system so yeah it was a bit 885 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:03,940 of fun it was a bit naughty what's good 886 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:05,350 out with that was good fun because I 887 00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,210 remember you just got back to Australia 888 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:08,800 you came around to my place with the raw 889 00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:11,050 tape and we added that little video on 890 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:13,000 the spot I'll link to that video in the 891 00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:14,770 show notes for this week's episode but 892 00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:16,840 now let's talk about things closer to 893 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:18,430 home let's talk about the goings on at 894 00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:19,870 the moment at the Royal Institution of 895 00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:23,020 Australia at ww r-ia us dot org today 896 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:24,630 you as my listeners know very well 897 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:27,490 what's this about Doctor Who tell me 898 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:33,730 more look it's a long strange story as 899 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:35,530 to how it came about but essentially 900 00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:38,650 we've teamed up with BBC worldwide and 901 00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:43,390 we are taking a public event on the road 902 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:45,700 across Australia we're going to Perth 903 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:47,740 we're going to Brisbane we're doing 904 00:38:53,490 --> 00:38:51,010 shows here in adelaide shows in sydney 905 00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:53,500 and in melbourne and there's already 906 00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:55,720 plans to go around some of the smaller 907 00:39:01,770 --> 00:38:59,170 regional centers as well essentially 908 00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:01,780 it's a show that looks at the science of 909 00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:06,280 Doctor Who and we've got a rob lloyd is 910 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:09,160 a comedian who is actually the host of 911 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:11,620 the evening and we've got a lineup of 912 00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:13,810 top-notch scientists talking about 913 00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:16,720 things like regeneration the TARDIS can 914 00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:18,340 something actually be bigger on the 915 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:21,790 inside than the out life on other 916 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:24,370 planets is extraterrestrial life and 917 00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:27,190 time travel you know is there actually 918 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:31,390 any science behind the the way that the 919 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:34,150 doctor is able to do so flippantly Zach 920 00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:39,130 that means I don't and yet so it's a big 921 00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:41,380 event because we will to working with 922 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:44,800 the BBC we're allowed to use footage 923 00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:47,050 from the doctor who series to illustrate 924 00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:50,500 the points and look at anybody out there 925 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:53,620 who's has any interest in Doctor Who and 926 00:39:57,450 --> 00:39:55,450 any interest in science 927 00:39:59,340 --> 00:39:57,460 do yourself a favor there's Molly 928 00:40:01,890 --> 00:39:59,350 Melbourne used to say do yourself a 929 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:01,900 favor get along and watch the show you 930 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:04,330 can find full details and book tickets 931 00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:06,910 through the RL website well that's 932 00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:08,500 really exciting pool and I'm so glad 933 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:10,030 that you're considering or hopefully 934 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:11,770 going to do regional centers because you 935 00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:16,840 know I grew up in a regional center way 936 00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:18,520 up on the north coast of New South Wales 937 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:21,640 and we didn't get many things come our 938 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,610 way so I think regional Australia 939 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:26,880 outreach is very important to that area 940 00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:30,610 yeah and you know it's part of the whole 941 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:34,360 mission of our oils we're Australia's 942 00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:39,280 only national charity that deals in 943 00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:41,020 science communication and science 944 00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,400 engagement and so how do we not only go 945 00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,240 to other major cities around the country 946 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:50,800 but how do we reach to the regional 947 00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:52,660 centres how do we reach the people in 948 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:55,720 their homes in the outback and the 949 00:41:00,930 --> 00:40:57,550 online environment provides the 950 00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:00,940 opportunity to be able to do that so you 951 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:02,860 know in the case of the doctor who 952 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:06,460 series that that is the tool or of blood 953 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:08,980 events at venues throughout the country 954 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:12,460 but most of what we're doing our events 955 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:15,250 most of them held here in adelaide but 956 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:18,460 we live stream them and we have a full 957 00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:21,310 chat room and twitter back up so that 958 00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:23,350 you can be anywhere in the country and 959 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:26,320 you can join in on the conversation we 960 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:29,620 last year we had world vasectomy day yes 961 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:33,130 he had 17 vasectomies performed in 962 00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:36,310 adelaide in front of our cameras and we 963 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:40,080 were able to use their opportunity to 964 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:45,880 talk to people about men's health family 965 00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:48,490 planning and world population problems 966 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:51,550 and all of that got under that we've 967 00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:54,130 picked up by Reuters and beamed to 968 00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,160 newsrooms around the world yeah it's a 969 00:42:02,580 --> 00:41:59,920 huge easy way for us to be able to 970 00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:02,590 communicate with people anywhere in the 971 00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:04,870 country anywhere on the planet and for 972 00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:07,600 them to be able to communicate to us so 973 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:08,420 it's a gay 974 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:10,730 it's not just you know someone talking 975 00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:12,550 about their favorite subatomic particle 976 00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:15,320 if we're putting on an event it's an 977 00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:17,900 opportunity for you wherever you are to 978 00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:20,300 be involved in a discussion on that 979 00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:23,300 particular area of science no I think 980 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:24,860 that's just the ticket to and of course 981 00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:28,190 you're the weekly show you do which is a 982 00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:30,140 video show and an audio show the 983 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:32,990 weakened science from rirs I listen to 984 00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:34,370 certain you would know it as the audio 985 00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:36,200 version but i'm sure many of them would 986 00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:38,300 also tune in and see the the video 987 00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:40,070 version that i think it's such a 988 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:42,590 worthwhile endeavor I don't know how 989 00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:44,510 long it takes you each week or the 990 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:45,980 institution each week to put nap 991 00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:48,530 together but whatever the time is I 992 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:50,540 think it's it's really great and what 993 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:51,890 goes for two or three minutes it's 994 00:42:56,290 --> 00:42:53,750 packed full of information and it's an 995 00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:56,300 interesting little science he bit to 996 00:43:01,600 --> 00:42:59,960 round off the week yeah well thank you 997 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:01,610 very much we're very proud of the week 998 00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:05,450 in science and you know we've got all 999 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:07,550 the studio facilities to be able to make 1000 00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:11,090 video content so a week in science was 1001 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:15,140 just a our opportunity to use that 1002 00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:19,190 equipment to make science videos you 1003 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:21,470 know regular weekly update science 1004 00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:25,670 videos and they've really taken off did 1005 00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:29,060 not just seem through our networks where 1006 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:30,560 we're getting something around about 1007 00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:33,050 thirty odd thousand views a week of the 1008 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:35,150 various weeks in science all up across 1009 00:43:43,210 --> 00:43:38,330 various platforms but we've also the 1010 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:43,220 apac channel on on cable television they 1011 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:46,970 are taking a week in science and so the 1012 00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,250 apec channel is used widely by ministers 1013 00:43:56,110 --> 00:43:54,800 and politicians it's usually the the 1014 00:43:58,270 --> 00:43:56,120 channel that they'll have on the 1015 00:44:00,730 --> 00:43:58,280 television in their office so we're 1016 00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,740 getting a little dose of science under 1017 00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,480 the nose of politicians across the 1018 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:04,160 country by being able to go through the 1019 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:07,400 apac channel so yeah we're really we're 1020 00:44:10,810 --> 00:44:09,230 really quite proud of a week in science 1021 00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:10,820 and and it's a lot of fun it's a lot of 1022 00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,440 hard work to pull together but it's a 1023 00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:14,480 lot of fun and and it's getting the 1024 00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:16,220 sorts of audience that it deserves 1025 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:18,230 that's really good to hear and just for 1026 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:19,490 the benefit of our international 1027 00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:21,890 listeners when Paul says it's getting to 1028 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,360 the 10 1029 00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:24,400 of Ministers he doesn't mean religious 1030 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:29,260 ministers he means politicians who knows 1031 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,500 maybe even religious ministers to yeah 1032 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:35,680 well yet no point preaching to the 1033 00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,430 converted well Paul I keep threatening 1034 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:41,380 to come down to Adelaide to visit the 1035 00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:43,540 royal institution of australia i will do 1036 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:45,700 it one day i promise i look forward to a 1037 00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:48,810 personal tour of your vast collection of 1038 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:54,100 ancient South Pole beers or fossils or 1039 00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,850 whatever you have for me well you know 1040 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:00,160 Richard is you know I've only been in 1041 00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:02,170 that late coming off for three years now 1042 00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,750 and absolutely love it over here you 1043 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:06,640 know I'll make sure you look good after 1044 00:45:11,610 --> 00:45:09,160 if you come over and as I'd like to tell 1045 00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:11,620 everybody about my cut my setup here in 1046 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:13,900 that in Adelaide I work in the center of 1047 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:15,730 the city I have a 20 minute drive to 1048 00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,520 work and two or three nights a week I'm 1049 00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:21,280 woken up by koalas shagging outside my 1050 00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:25,000 bedroom window so how good is that what 1051 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:27,790 more could you want in life and the odd 1052 00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:29,830 trip apart from the odd trip to the 1053 00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:33,640 Antarctic Paul before we go when is the 1054 00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:35,350 Doctor Who thing happening we don't 1055 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:37,990 forget it hurt this weekend brisbane 1056 00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:41,050 shows are on may the 10th shows in 1057 00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,080 sydney on the 23rd 24th and twenty-fifth 1058 00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:46,720 of May in Adelaide on the thirty-first 1059 00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:49,240 of May and then in Melbourne we've got 1060 00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:51,220 shows on the thirteenth fourteenth and 1061 00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:53,560 fifteenth of June promises to be a 1062 00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:56,020 brilliant fun show it certainly does 1063 00:46:00,570 --> 00:45:57,910 promise to be a brilliant fun show Paul 1064 00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:00,580 I might even see if I can go along 1065 00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:02,590 myself to enjoy the fun of Doctor Who 1066 00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:04,870 and the signs of Doctor Who and all the 1067 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,240 best with your continued adventures at 1068 00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:09,280 the Royal Institution of Australia and 1069 00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:11,470 next time you go to the Antarctic I hope 1070 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:15,820 you take an extra big suitcase for me it 1071 00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,530 would be a very large suitcase because 1072 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:19,800 there's a lot of people to go with it 1073 00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,170 I'm sure there are dr. Paul Willa's from 1074 00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:24,880 the Royal Institution of Australia 1075 00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:42,260 did you see that UFO sighting that made 1076 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:44,550 the news what did that latest study 1077 00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,230 about alternative treatments really say 1078 00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:48,660 is this photo making the rounds real or 1079 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,630 hoax doubtful news is a unique website 1080 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:53,520 featuring news about pseudoscience the 1081 00:46:57,339 --> 00:46:55,650 paranormal anomalies and questionable 1082 00:47:00,320 --> 00:46:57,349 claims framed with the skeptical view 1083 00:47:02,050 --> 00:47:00,330 come visit Delphine newscom every day 1084 00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:02,060 for news about cryptozoology 1085 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:05,790 conspiracies shams scams and more follow 1086 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:08,700 us on twitter at doubtful news critical 1087 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:10,260 thinking is essential in assessing 1088 00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:12,570 today's news duffel news helps you 1089 00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:30,680 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1090 00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:32,670 zone don't forget coming up later on in 1091 00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,510 the year 28 the 30th of November here in 1092 00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:38,400 Sydney the Australian skeptics National 1093 00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:41,700 Convention one not to be missed not to 1094 00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:43,560 be missed dr. Carl cruise on this key 1095 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:45,270 will be there lots and lots and lots of 1096 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:49,410 other people and exciting news dr. Carl 1097 00:47:54,350 --> 00:47:51,810 Kozlowski will also be at the amazing 1098 00:47:59,360 --> 00:47:54,360 meeting this year in Las Vegas more 1099 00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:59,370 information at WWE Randy org and I 1100 00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:00,900 notice then it's only just been 1101 00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:03,600 announced that bill nye the science guy 1102 00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:08,070 bill nye will be there as well Wow bill 1103 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:10,830 nye and Carl Kozlowski at the same 1104 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:13,890 convention I wonder if they'll be like 1105 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:17,010 an atomic explosion of grey matter or 1106 00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:18,870 something like that who knows who knows 1107 00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:21,900 but I look forward to being there but 1108 00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:23,670 for now for this week it's Richard 1109 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:26,070 Saunders signing off from Sydney 1110 00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:32,010 Australia you've been listening to the 1111 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:36,720 skeptic zone visit her website at www